Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Fuck it, we're doing it live! DNC open thread

Well, I've got the six-pack in the fridge, the tv tuned to CNN, and a healthy dose of cynicism ready to go. Come bring the snark! In case you want to see what's happening, here's tonight's schedule.

Together, we'll find the answers to the following questions:
  • Will the Big Dawg still be as attractive to the ladies as he's ushered out of the limelight?
  • What is the beers-ingested to number-of-minutes-Bayh-has-spoken ratio at which one can remain conscious?
  • How tasty will be the red meat Biden doles out tonight, and can he dish it out without sticking his foot in his mouth?

We'll learn the answer to these questions, and hopefully a little bit about each other as the night goes on.

Just a quick managerial note - if we're as chatty as we were last night, we'll be ginning up a new thread once the comments hit triple digits, so be prepared.

Now get your yak on!

105 comments:

wobblie said...

Just so dr doesn't have to go first again...

wobblie said...

Okay - so NOLA is in the path of a hurricane again, almost three years to the day after Katrina, and Ray Nagin is chatting it up on CNN. Smart.

dr said...

Well, if they get hit again we've got boxes of donations ready to go.

dr said...

Fox News asks Chuck Shumer, "What role will Hillary Clinton play? Will Barack Obama nominate her to the Supreme Court?"

wobblie said...

No! The SCOTUS appointment belongs to Bill!

dave3544 said...

Missed the roll call vote. Who won?

wobblie said...

It's still going on. NJ is up now.

dave3544 said...

I honestly don't understand the value of having a Republican operative giving "advice" to the Democratic Party. Why does the b-team just let him babble?

dave3544 said...

MSNBC doesn't feel the need to show this.

My favorite part.

wobblie said...

New Mexico needs to hurry up the completely needless shout-outs.

wobblie said...

I think Randi is hiding behind the guy from NY talking it up right now.

dave3544 said...

what channel are you watching Wobs?

I got speeches on CSPAN...I think you're watching a replay.

Or fucking with me.

Cause everyone has already reported that New York went and Hills threw it to BHO.

wobblie said...

Ah... I'm watching PBS.

wobblie said...

Well, I'm glad I saw the PBS replay. It was actually really moving.

dr said...

Eventually Bill, Hillary, and Barack will all be on the Court. It's all but inevitable.

wobblie said...

Has Bill been readmitted to the bar? Not that it will be any impediment to the tyranny of Mumia Barack X.

wobblie said...

Bobo just knocked Bill's speech-making skills. Bad keynote in '88 notwithstanding, that's just whack.

dave3544 said...

Melissa Ethridge is awesome.

Oh my! God Bless to Times are a Changing to Give Peace a Chance to Born in the USA...it's 1984...where we going next?

dr said...

David Brooks just drew a contrast between Obama and the Clinton's that turned on characterizing the Obamas as having an "extremely traditional conservative family".

wobblie said...

Give 'em heck Harry? Yeesh.

wobblie said...

Harry's content. Awesome.
Harry's delivery. Lulling.

wobblie said...

CNN has gone with Brian Schweitzer over Reid. I can't say that's a bad choice.

dave3544 said...

Let's hope to God no one is watching Reid call for shared sacrifices and burdens. Nothing gets the votes like talking sacrifices and burdens.

Not to say this is what costs the Dems every goddamn time, but really, I'm having flash backs to Mondale and Dukakis.

Then he decided to call McCain a snakeoil salesman in the least compelling way possible.

wobblie said...

It's fun watching Schweitzer push Bob Barr for the MT gun lovers.

dr said...

Albright - McCain thinks he already knows everything he needs to know in order to be president, but the first thing a president must know is how to learn.

That would be devastating if I were the median voter.

wobblie said...

The beer-to-Bayh ratio count begins now.

wobblie said...

T. called, so my measurements are tainted. He didn't put me out in the first minute, though.

BTW - check out this billmon diary.

dr said...

Mondale looks more vigorous than McCain.

wobblie said...

Holy crap, Bobo acts like a chimp on meth!

dave3544 said...

I'm sure he meant to say "One of the greatest living presidents in American history."

dave3544 said...

One of the knobs on MSNBC was discussing, thoroughly, the possibility that Clinton would be booed tonight.

Spot on analysis.

wobblie said...

The man's still got the charisma.

dave3544 said...

He did the lip bite!

I didn't realize how much I missed that until I saw. It says, "Hey, remember the 90s? Pretty cool, huh."

wobblie said...

Have any of you seen my cynicism? I seem to have misplaced it.

wobblie said...

Wow. Can Buchanan keep his the Clinton's aren't committed line going any more?

dave3544 said...

While we're "waiting" for Kerry...

Melissa Ethridge at the DNC earlier...I swear to God it's not a Rick Roll. I love this.

Kamper said...

Quick quiz: John Kerry: putz, or not a putz?

wobblie said...

Kamper! I'm feeling warm and fuzzy right now (and it's not just the beer), so I'm going to be charitable and say "not putz." But damn is he a lame follow-up act.

dave3544 said...

Tom Brokaw just suggested that McCain will pick an "economic" expert for his VP, counterbalancing Obama's pick of Biden for foreign policy.

Except, Tom, he will pick an "economic expert" of the "free market" stripe. IN other owrds, more of the same.

THe Brokaw argues that the Clintons can't go after McCain because he's a war hero and Bill dodged the draft. That didn't matter four years ago. Jesus, it's like the swiftboating never happened.

wobblie said...

Yeah, but the cardinal rule of media campaign narratives is IOKIYAR.

dr said...

Dukakis, now on Fox, also looks more vigorous than John McCain.

If I recall correctly, Kerry is a vigorous man. At least as vigorous as John McCain.

And Carter, him too. Vigorous.

wobblie said...

Ha! Kerry made a subtle "he's old" dig!

CPS said...

hey all--just caught up on the comments--fine analysis (and it isn't just the decaf and cookies talking)

dr said...

Oh hey, Kerry's talking now.

Kerry is enough not a chump that Fox doesn't show him speak.

Kamper said...

In 2004, during his acceptance speech, I went around the room I was in and asked "putz/not-a-putz". Everyone in the room picked putz.

But Kerry sounds good now on the national security stuff.

dr said...

In sum, you have to go back to 1972 to find a Democratic nominee or President who is currently less vigorous than John McCain.

dave3544 said...

Kerry was not a putz for his policies so much as for "I'm John Kerry, reporting for duty!"

wobblie said...

Worst. Line. Ever.

dave3544 said...

I think that Kerry is forgetting that most Americans were as offended by the swiftboating as he was. In fact, they were kind of okay with it.

wobblie said...

Kerry had a slow start, but he's come on strong.

And jeebus, they keep trying to start the "USA!" chant. It's kind of annoying.

dave3544 said...

NOT as offended

unionboy said...

Hey, how do I hear Bill's speech? I missed it while putting the kid to bed.

wobblie said...

You know, these open threads are going to be a lot more fun next week at the RNC. Like I said, I'm having a hard time being cynical, and thus snarky, right now.

dr said...

Who cares about the swiftboating of a coward?

wobblie said...

unionboy - keep an eye out here. They've already uploaded Bayh's speech from earlier, so I bet it'll be up within the hour. Keep an eye on YouTube as well.

Kamper said...

I had a big fight with my Dad in 04 about the swiftboating. He thought it was totally in bounds.

dave3544 said...

Is it wrong of me disappointed that this is a movie about veterans instead of Biden. Because I thought it was going to be about BIden and I am.

wobblie said...

Is that Tom Hanks narrating?

dave3544 said...

We got Hanks! We got Hanks!

wobblie said...

PBS has a great panel of vets for Obama right now.

dave3544 said...

Was the woman who endorsed Biden, teacher at a ele school in DOver, a AFT member?

dr said...

"Pursuant to rule c-11"

You gotta say it like you mean it.

dr said...

Wish there were some liquor in the house.

wobblie said...

You'll need it more next week.

dave3544 said...

How the hell do you not have liquor in your house. You get paid a middle wage, act like it.

CPS said...

Spielberg ain't got nothing on Beau.

wobblie said...

Yeah - that was about as good an intro as you can get.

dave3544 said...

Remember when MTV had that "Little Pink House" contest, where you could when one in Kasas by entering a drawing?

CPS said...

So much for my hope for some Specials music for JB's intro!

dave3544 said...

Let's start slamming McCain soon, yes?

wobblie said...

Biden loves his mother! Shocking!

dave3544 said...

From Ginger:

Shout outs for apple pie and baseball coming soon.

wobblie said...

Nice recovery with the Freudian slip!

dr said...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wha.... Biden?.. Zzzzzzzzzzzz

CPS said...

Anyone think trying to make this about Bush (again!) is a lame strategy?

wobblie said...

I dunno - a 28% approval rating kinda speaks for itself.

dave3544 said...

Disagree with both of you. Loving Biden, think "more of the same" is a great frame.

CPS said...

if you are on the fence (in the first place) doesn't that mean that a) this isn't about Bush or b) you aren't sure the last 8 years weren't all bad?

CPS said...

that is the right frame--who is right and who is wrong.

dave3544 said...

But McCain's a maverick!

dave3544 said...

John Cougar on...the Boss off. What says "America" more?

wobblie said...

I think the vast majority of people think things are going wrong - they're on the fence because they somehow think Obama isn't up to the task or because he's... well, you know.

dave3544 said...

The man is charisma with a capital CHARISMA!

CPS said...

I'm out--see ya'll.

dr said...

The chosen one! The chosen one appeared! Oh, I guess it's just a tape. Turn off your Bruce-larms.

wobblie said...

Who's the hippie in Biden's family?

dave3544 said...

"Owww..grandpa just kissed me on national television."

wobblie said...

I gotta say, Biden's got a good "everyman" presence.

wobblie said...

Oh, jesus Wolf - in commenting on the band, Blitzer says "If Donna Brazille were here, we'd be dancing." And why is that Wolf?

dave3544 said...

I thought tonight was great. Clinton good, biden good, obama great.

Oh fuck me, I am starting to feel good about the Dems again. I remember this feeling from the night of the first debate in 2004 when Kerry handed Bush his ass.

"We can't lose!"

Oh, please, don't let us lose. We can't lose.

wobblie said...

I know the feeling. Difference is, when I started having that feeling about Kerry, it was too late at that point. Coming out of the convention, I didn't feel so hot.

Ugh - CNN just showed the McCain ad with the so-called "Clinton Democrat" who's now voting for McCain. I. Hate. Her.

dave3544 said...

Never seen it. Oregon must not be filled with betrayers.

I guess you get everything all the time in the DC market.

You know I am jealous.

wobblie said...

It was on CNN, so I figured it'd be a national cable buy.

dave3544 said...

Brokaw is saying that last night better than last night.

Now he is saying Obama has to "prove" the he is ready to "take that phone call at, dare I say it, 3 am?"

He does? Fuck you. Why doesn't McCain have to prove it? Because he was a prisoner of war? Because he's a Republican? Because they have special sauce in their balls that magically give them super-knowledge about foreign affairs.

JC said...

The memory of watching the 2004 election in a bar at AGEL in Ohio will forever be burned in my brain. Mostly that sinking feeling in the room as the vote teetered over the brink.

The roll call vote tonight was very cool -- well done by the DNC. I'm watching it on OPB, which is time delayed, so I haven't seen Bill or Biden yet, looking forward to it.

dave3544 said...

better than tonight.

I am both drunk and organized at the same time.

dave3544 said...

hey JC.. I think you're in for a good night. If not, let us know why. CNN is calling tonight a bad night. And now Wolf is talking about "Bare Naked Ladies."

wobblie said...

I just say GOP consultant Leslie Sanchez try to diss Bill's speech, saying that Americans still don't like Bill. I gotta say, if they believe that, they're barking up the wrong tree.

Bill was awesome - it felt like the bookend to Hill's speech the night before.

dave3544 said...

The Oregon-Michigan game from 2005 is on tv right now.

Could my life get any better?

dave3544 said...

2003, I mean. jeebus where does the time go?

wobblie said...

Could life get better? Hell yes - they could be showing the Oregon-Michigan game of 2007!

dave3544 said...

No, 2003 that was the game.

You were there. One of the top 15 days of my life. Number two sports day.

dave3544 said...

Gotta go. Night, night cinnabon.

wobblie said...

Definitely in the top days of my life. I had to watch last years game all on my lonesome. But the ass-kicking at the Big House...?

Ah hell, why are we arguing about which stomping was better? Ah lurve yooz guys!

wobblie said...

And with that we sign off. Stay tuned for lex with the on-the-scene lowdown.