Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Pre-Speech Waiting Area AND Open Thread

One thing we've learned since 2007 is that the President doesn't feel just-completely-satisfied with any plot points that don't involve him giving some kinda ur-transcendental speech that "resets," "pivots," "reconnects the American people with their core values," etc.

So what do we expect from him tonight? A "pragmatic" appeal to the independent, moderate co-pragmatists of America? A "grown-up" refutation of disappointed liberals' disappointment? A "bipartisan" concession to deficit-hawk lies, insurance company lies, and other hatefuck fantasies? A "good speech" that brings us closer to a vote, gives Blue Dogs and Olympia Snowe cover for said votes, and gets the country moving away from the direction of capital-administered, neglect-based health care?

I'm hoping for the latter, if only because, shucks, like my Tea Party friends, I'm ready to transfer all this animus and mawkishness into the emergent bloodbath over that other disappointing disappointment, cap and trade.

65 comments:

solidcitizen said...

Concessionaire.

lex dexter said...

At least we'll get to look at Joe Biden throughout the speech.

Wilbur said...

Is this going to get in the way of "America's Got Talent"? I want my Clumpy!

wobblie said...

Will prolly be here late, after putting munchkin to bed/before passing out before another early day. I'll stop complaining now.

solidcitizen said...

Want to go home to watch, must cover office for ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING REASON.

EZ said...

Should we start a live blog thread?

I am personally hoping for an articulation of what a public option is, what it would look like, and why it is necessary...

Howsa 'bout you?

ash said...

there better be a public option in those envelopes

lex dexter said...

Fucking Jeff Fucking Merkley [Fucking D-Fucking OR] sighting!

ash said...

i could def live w/o the state of the union theatrics; i really just want to hear about health care...

EZ said...

Ash, I conquer....

EZ said...

(obligatory simpsons reference)

ash said...

our health care problem IS our deficit problem; well said.

lex dexter said...

You guys aren't gonna believe this, but it looks like the President is going to split the difference between Left- and Right-Wing ideologues in order to find a truly "American" solution.

ash said...

what are the 'best ideas' of the republicans?

lex dexter said...

The "Now is the Time, Now is the Season" riff was a real winner!

solidcitizen said...

If only we could do all these things to the health insurance companies w/o having to mandate that Americans give them billions of dollars.

brown beard said...

a lot of colorful outfits in the heazy

ash said...

booooooooo!

solidcitizen said...

Define "quality" and "affordability."

"Insurance exchanges" and there goes the public option.

We hardly knew ye.

ash said...

exchanges. tax credits. not what i wanted to hear.

wobblie said...

I have a mancrush on Peter Orszag.

solidcitizen said...

btw...

TORT REFORM!!!!!!!

wobblie said...

No one's liking the mandates.

EZ said...

Boehner and the Rep's around him seem pretty tightly wound up... (from my view on PBS)

solidcitizen said...

Don't address the controversies.

ash said...

was someone just clapping for misinfomation????

EZ said...

Death PAnels! Drink!

wobblie said...

Calling the liars! Holy crap!

solidcitizen said...

GOP standing behind the "death panels."

ash said...

did someone just yell 'that's a lie!'?

wobblie said...

them*

solidcitizen said...

Does BHO have the power to set the record straight?

(No.)

ash said...

pretty sure NC is like AL

wobblie said...

GOP: "Are we for accountability? Yes? Maybe? Ah, ok, yes!"

solidcitizen said...

I kind of want BHO to make it a personal mission to destroy the jackass who called out "that's a lie."

ash said...

wait, is that a sort of public option?

solidcitizen said...

"availability" has not been the goal. Quality and affordability have been the goals.

wobblie said...

And to the jackass who called me a liar? Rahm knows who you are.

brown beard said...

yea. work together!

ash said...

CNN viewers: what were the dudes in the back holding up?

wobblie said...

GOP not standing in support of the private bureaucrat?

wobblie said...

DO NOT PROMISE A DEFICIT NEUTRAL PACKAGE! Gah!

solidcitizen said...

Ginger having a tough time understanding how the GOP can argue that gov't-run health care would drive private insurance companies out of business while simultaneously arguing that all gov't run programs are bloated inefficient messes.

Lex?

solidcitizen said...

Don't give me the details. Tell me puppies are cute and

TORT REFORM!!!!!

lex dexter said...

Ultimate TORT REFORM Money-Shot!!

ash said...

costs = less than iraq/afghanistan, Bush tax cuts. effective.

wobblie said...

Why do they keep holding up the bill?

solidcitizen said...

@wobblie They keep holding up the bill because it is 1000 pages, which, as Lex can attest, 99.99% of Americans think is an insurmountable amount of reading material. You and I know it can be accomplished in a night or two.

wobblie said...

Those bills have 2 inch margins on the left and right! It takes 6 hours. Divvy it up among 4 friends, and there you go, 1.5 hours, plus an hour to share notes.

Of course, most 'Muricans would rather watching Dancing With The Stars...

solidcitizen said...

How can the GOP not stand up? Jeebus Christ.

wobblie said...

Making the case for government. So sad we have to do that.

lex dexter said...

BEST. DEMOCRATIC. POL. QUA. POL. OF. OUR. LIFETIME.

solidcitizen said...

The end of that speech was killer.

And now the media wants to talk about the goddamn hecklers.

EZ said...

I liked the comparison of a public option to a public university/college...
though I want more than a freakin co-op...

solidcitizen said...

AAARRRGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chuck Todd "running quickly" through the goddamn hc plan in order to talk about the politics.

EZ said...

Freaking hecklers in the chamber, Outrageous!
I don't remember W having such a thing happen to his lame ass...though I am sure Barbara Lee thought some stuff...

wobblie said...

Next stop, reconciliation.

ash said...

Repub response from the Strom Thurmond room. Perfect. TV off...

solidcitizen said...

Is that shirt even closely to being in style?

ash said...

RT @hodgman Is that Mike Meyers playing Charles Boustany?

solidcitizen said...

Nothing would relieve my anxiety like a little TORT REFORM!!!!

wobblie said...

Wow. That was... drab.

solidcitizen said...

AGT!

EZ said...

good times good times.... we should do this again sometime....

Goodnight all

wobblie said...

Rep. Joe Wilson from SC has been identified as the "That's a lie!" guy. Rahm will have the dead fish in the mail shortly. Classy.